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of progress. but yes, the white house would, "absolutely go over the fiscal cliff" if the republicans would not raise tax rates. now republicans are pointing back to july 2011. this statement by president obama. >> yes, said give us $1.# trillion in additional revenues that could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes. eliminating deductions. and engaging in a tax reform process that could lowered rates generally while broadening the base. >> bret: the white house is saying it's out of context but not specifically how out of context. bring in the panel. steve hayes for "weekly standard." kirsten powers for daily beast. syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer. charles? >> look, i love when the president says we need conceptual break through. meaning the republicans have to accept a hike in rates. what he means is a political surrender. because there is no economic reason why you cannot raise the money he wants raised. by doing it through eliminating deductions, inclusions and credit. number one as we saw he, himself, said so. a y
may hang in the balance as the nation gets closer to a fiscal cliff. democrats and republicans have one month to come up with a plan to stop the across the board tax hikes and the major federal spending cuts from taking effect. i'm gregg jarrett. >> heather: i'm heather childers. some of the early optimism for a deal seems to be fading. steve is live in washington with more. >> reporter: one month away from that so-called fiscal cliff. there appears to be very little movement toward any kind of deal. president obama is using the bully-pulpit to appeal to the american people to push for immediate action to push the tax cuts for everybody except for those earning more than $250,000 a year. in his saturday address, he stressed the urgency of the situation. >> if congress does nothing, every family will see their income taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. a typical middle-class family of four will see income taxes rise by $2200. we can't let that happen. a families can't afford it and neither can our economy. >> reporter: republicans led by house speaker john boehne
a year end deadline, the white house is wasting no time rejecting the republicans' fiscal cliff counter offer on tax reforms and spending cuts. the gop plan consists of $2.2 trillion in saving officials a decade including raging the age for medicare from 65 to 67 and lowering the cost of living increases for social security benefits. they also propose overhauling the tax code to generate $800 billion in new revenue but without raising taxes on the wealthy. frn in a letter to the president, republicans attempted to sell the offer as the erskine bowles plan, comparing it to the same offer he drew up last year. >> i think he'd disagree. >> the co-chair of obama's deficit commission, but yesterday mr. bowles flatly rejected that connection. meanwhile, the white house is turning to campaign style messaging as a reminder of whose tax plan was chosen in the court of public opinion on election day. >> under my plan, first of all, 98% of folks who make less than 250,000, you wouldn't see your income taxes go up a single dime. all right? because you're the ones who need relief. but we're not goin
tonight in the fiscal cliff negotiations. republicans are pushing back hard. against president obama and the democrats over what will be in whatever deal they craft to avoid the implementation of the automatic spending cuths and tax increases. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live with details. good evening, ed. >> tonight we have new details of exactly what treasury secretary geithner laid out to republicans in the big meeting earlier today is. the republican aides tell mike emanuel there was a lot of detail about the new tax increases. $1.6 trillion in new tax increases from the new rate, capital gain, dividends as well. new spending, starting with $50 billion next year. the white house is countering that is leftover stuff from the president american jobs act. not really spending. nonetheless, the republican aides on the hill saying this is a nonstarter to them. white house aide i just spoke to said that this is not new. this is the president's original budget framework going to september of 2011. they say inside the white house tonight the real problem is the republican
the so-called fiscal cliff. congressional republicans firing back now amid claims by president obama that some g.o.p. lawmakers are holding middle class tax cuts hostage. and senator orrin hatch accusing the president of pulling a bait and switch. listen. >> the the president said he wants a so-called balanced approach to solve this crisis, but what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people, a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. billions of dollars in this stimulus spending and unlimited unchecked authority to borrow from the chinese. maybe i missed it, but i don't believe him asking for any of that during the presidential campai campaign. >> jamie: well, the developments are wii by the hour and our steve centanni is covering all of them. good to see you. >> you, too, jamie. one month until the fiscal cliff and appears to be little movement, but a lot of talk back and forth and the president used a campaign style appearance to appeal directly to the american people and pushed for immediate action to extend bush era tax cuts for ever
closer to the fiscal cliff i think many republicans will realize it is an indefensible position to go back to their districts and say to 100% of their constituents, your taxes are going to go up because i was protecting 2%. >> okay. let me ask you about your party because one question is why is it so important to you, to the president, to other democrats that rates go up on the 2%, the wealthiest americans, because i know there are a lot of issues at play here, but it seems as though your side will not go anywhere until you get that. is that correct? >> no, look, what's important to me and to my party is that we reduce our debt. what's important is that we reduce our debt, but not on the backs of middle class and seniors. what's important is that we have debt reduction that is big, bold and balanced. to do that, you have to cut spending. we have already voted for $2 trillion in cuts. >> you won't budge on that 2%. i just want to make crystal clear that's the deal. >> we can negotiate. i'm all for talking and reasonable compromise, but it doesn't look like we're going to be able to get
signs of progress in talks to keep the nation from falling over that fiscal cliff. republicans agreeing in principle on the need to raise revenue, but democrats apparently offering very little in the way of specific spending cuts. house speaker john boehner not mincing words moments ago. >> first, despite the claims that the president support ors a balanced approach -- supports a balanced approach, democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line, the american economy is on the line, and this is a moment for adult leadership. jenna: well, on the other side of the aisle, senate majority leader harry reid says he's still waiting for, quote, a reasonable proposal from speaker boehner. so while we're all waiting, congresswoman lynn jenkins is a member of the ways and means committee, she's also the new vice chair of the house republican conference, a new leadership position for her. congresswoman, welcome
for averting the fiscal cliff. the republican plan seeks $800 billion through tax reform and mandatory spending cuts. the white house said that the republican proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >> we understand they don't agree with everything but we have not seen alternatives for them and they spoke about the need for revenue and that acknowledgment is welcome. but thus far republicann leaders are adament don't believe rates should go up on the top two percent of the american people. the american people disagree. rates have to rise and the republicans need to acknowledge that. >> that's the major difference between the two sides. tax hikes for the rich x. republicans want tax reform and eliminate deductions and closing the loop holes. the president said on twitter, there can't be tax cuts at the rich at the expense of domestic programs. >> the biggest problem with president obama is he is a small-pinded president in big times . he talk about 35-39 that doesn't get us out of debt. >> that is tough rhetoric for senator lindd say graham. the president
that fiscal cliff house republicans are now offering up a plan of their own to avert that combination of spending cuts and tax hikes. it's set to welcome us all on january 1st if they don't have an agreement. i'm jenna lee. jon: some kind of welcome that would be. i'm jon scott. within hours of seeing the proposal the white house slammed the g.o.p. offer saying quote their plan provides nothing new and provides no details on what deductions they'll limb nature, loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve. house speaker john boehner inc insists his offer is the best one on the table calling it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. jenna: mike emanuel is with us. certainly a challenge to find this ideal plan. what is holding it up. >> reporter: the chairman of the senate budget committee wants a large come proceed hence i have deal in the range of $5 trillion and says a grand bargain can get done if everybody kaoels cool and doesn't overreact to every valley over the net. he this is a camp david-style summit might help things
television. >> we are talking about the fiscal cliff. john harwood just got back from senate republican mitch mcconnell's home state of kentucky. here he is. >> in the senate the challenge is bring together red states and blue states. mitch mcconnell's kentucky is horse country. states represented by top congressional leaders, the reddest of all. among the top leaders of congress involved in fiscal cliff negotiations, the one facing the most home state pressure may be senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. he faces re-election in kentucky and a state where the tea party movement is alive and well. president obama may have won this election but would years ago, leaders of the tea party movement elected ron paul's son, rand, as kentucky senator over an establishment republican. one leader of that movement who runs a high-end audio equipment business says they could do the same thing in 2014 and this time take out mitch mcconnell if he agrees to raise taxes. >> we should not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a receive knew problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that th
with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise 8$800 million in fiscal cliff negotiations. we're expecting a news conference any minute now on that meeting. we'll bring it to you live. nancy pelosi spoke about it a few hours ago. here's what she had to say. >> i would hope that that would break the fall on the cliff, which is becoming more of a soil if they do that but really, we do need to put a down payment, not just in revenues which passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash is on capitol hill. so what's happening now? >> reporter: well, we have been talking to republican lawmakers as they have been coming out of this meeting that the house republican conference had this morning and i should tell you any moment we're going to see the speaker and the other members of the leadership. i'll sit down when that happens. but what we've actually heard is what went on behind closed doors is not the backlash from conservatives outside the congress but certainly groups that are very, very upset that the house r
. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff are grinding to a hold. house speaker john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his budget plan. we've got a shanghai surprise. china's mainland markets up over nearly 3% after beijing's new leaders called for economic stability and new business growth. and it looks like more austerity for britain. george osborne getting ready to release his autumn statement. >>> nokia shares a little bit high today. they are teaming up with china mobile, giving access to the world's biggest mobile phone markets. >>> if you just got up, very warm welcome to the start of your global trading day. stocks are on the front foot this morning. this is where we stand with u.s. futures. currently called up around about 30 points higher. the dow down, what, 13 points? the nasdaq called up just under 40 points. the s&p 500 at the moment is called up just over three points. it was down two points yesterday. european stocks doing a little built better. they were as flat as a pancake, as i've been saying. as flat as my pancakes.
the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner says the ball is in the republican report to compromise. >> i cannot promise that. that is a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans. if they recognize the reality that we cannot afford to extend those tax rates, we have a basis of an agreement. stuart: how was that for an introduction. before we launch into your talking points, and i know you well, i want to mention this. the founder of cosco, as you know, he appeared at the democrat convention. big supporter of president obama. loves the tax the rich idea. he borrowed $3.5 billion imprisoned out to shareholders in the form of a special dividend this year. he walked with a check for $14 million. he pays and get $12 million cash. if the dividend was next year, he would have walked away with $8 million. by treating obama's tax the rich philosophy, this obama supporter got an extra $4 million. i say that is hypocrisy. will you join me in condemning the hypocrisy of the superrich? [ laughter ] >> stuart, it is good to be here. i will have to look into that one a little more closely. i think we
president barack obama to work on the fiscal cliff. they will meet with house speaker john boehner, governor jerry brown is actually not in the group. >>> white house is rejecting the republican fiscal proposal. and it is a counteroffer to the one president barack obama offered last week. coming up, what the white house says is missing in the republican proposal. >>> time now time to bring tara back. if anybody is headed for the bay bridge, what do you want them to know. >> if we take a live look, this happens in just a matter of minutes and i bet you it is going on right now. so give yourself extra time if you are headed into the city right now. we can show you 580 westbound and then also up in the pittsburgh antioch area, slow going there on highway 4 as you make your way towards concord. last but not least, 280 san jose and traffic is moving along pretty well. 6:07 here is steve. >>> cloudy skies, now last hour, there has been some light rain in mendocino and down to salina, it is cloudy and a few areas of fog. this system is considerably weaker than the one we have and it looks like we w
. >>> 31 days left for lawmakers to reach a fiscal cliff deal. cnbc is heading to the home states of key congressional leaders involved in negotiations. today john harwooden in kentucky. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell's home state to find out how the fiscal cliff is impacting constituents there. >> reporter: in the senate, the challenges is bringing together red states and blue states. mitch mcconnell's kentucky is horse country. of the states represented by top congressional leaders, it's the reddest of all. >> among the top leaders of congress involved in fiscal cliff negotiations, the one facing the most home state pressure may be senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. he faces re-election in kentucky, a state where the tea party movement is alive and well. president obama may have won this election but two years ago leaders of the tea party movement elected ron paul's son rand as kentucky senator over an establishment republican. one leader of that movement who runs a high-end audio equipment business says they could do the same thing in 2014, and this time take out mitc
shows that 53% of americans say if we go over the fiscal cliff, more blame would fall on republicans in congress. 27% believe the finger would be pointing at president obama. now, the president vowed during his re-election campaign that we would not reach that point but we're -- but we're certainly getting closer. we just learned the president is rejecting the latest counteroffer from republicans. democrats believe they can force republicans to vote on tax increases. house minority leader, nancy pelosi, could be filing the necessary paperwork in a couple of hours. reporting live from washington, d.c., alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 7:15. right now, president obama is meeting with a bipartisan group of governors at the white house. reportedly, the governor has requested the meeting with the president. they want to urge president obama to work with congress on a solution to the fiscal cliff. in the afternoon, the same group of governors will meet with john boehner. california governor jerry brown is not among the group. >>> 7:15. the owner of the drake's bay oyster company is p
whether or not the federal government is preparing to go off the fiscal cliff in particular this administration. he answered unfortunately in the affirmative. here's tim. >> if republicans do not agree to that is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> we face no prospect of agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top two percent. >> brian: he also said he believes that the president needs to get control of the debt limit. that is a nonstarter. there is no way to get congress to give up control of debt limit. >> steve: republicans are saying let's cave and surrender on the tax issue. but coming up in 2013 we have leverage over the debt limit. remember the president of the united states his personal approval ratings went in the toilet. >> brian: as is the congress. >> steve: the congress didn't have as far to because they were close to the floor anyway. republicans say let's have leverage next time and the president said let's take that off of the table and from now on the president doesn't have to negotiate from congress. congress doesn't
to go off the fiscal cliff unless republicans give in and raise taxes up to 39.6% on the wealthiest americans, did he hesitate in his response at all? no? >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go off the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. if there is no agreement that doesn't involve rates going up. >> gretchen: is that what the discussion is about? if you're watching the main stream media, it's about tax, tax, tax, tax. why are we taxing so much? because we really do have a spending problem. >> steve: or a deep hole. >> brian: i thought it was interesting. does geithner ever speak and make you feel better? all he does is -- i have a sense that it's something terrible is about to happen. having said that and this communication ability aside, i'm stunned to see him playing politics. he's flat out playing politics. he added if the president doesn't get his own way and get the power action undependentsed power to raise the debt limit and take it away from congress, that's also a nonstarter. since when is getting into that and saying if we don't raise taxes
the fiscal cliff negotiations going on on capitol hill. for young republicans right now, as you listen to what both sides are saying in this debate, where do young republicans fall on raising taxes for the wealthiest to help pay down the debt? >> sure. thank you for having us on today, of course. but i think it's just important that as a party, our candidates are making sure that our voices are modernizing, not necessarily moderating. we don't necessarily have to fundamentally change who we are as a party and who we are as republicans. we have to make sure that our voices on taxes, on spending on the economy, are heard loud and clear. just as meghan said, the economic issues are driving many young voters indeed. so where we stand on taxes is that they should be low, but most importantly, in regards to college students and younger voters, we need to make sure that when we graduate college, that we're put to that a job environment that we're able to live productively, that we're not burdened by higher taxes, that we're not burdened by the difficulties put forth by government spending at
. it is monday december 3rd. i am gretchen carlson. 29 days from the fiscal cliff and this is what republicans say about the latest offer. >> i was flabbergasted and i looked at him and said you can't be serious. there is more to the deal than you are hearing about. tim geithner explains. >> nfl player uses a gun to gill his - kill his girlfriend and himself. bob kostas tries to use that. >>> and how to make love last. the answer under your nose. "fox and friends" starts right now. >> gretchen: good morning, everyone. oh, the fiscal cliff. i was wondering what makes love last and under your nose it must be a scent. >> or maybe it is a moustachah. what was it a tree falling again. >> brian: you want to hear it again. >> steve: yeah. >> gretchen: it sounds like a horror movie like something up in the attic. >> steve: it is breaking. cliffhanger. i don't know. if the economy falls in the forest and no one is here to hear it is there a sound. yesterday the republicans blame the democrats and the democrats blame the republicans. john had a exclusive with chris wallace. >> brian: chris wallace sat d
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with the fiscal cliff crisis. opponents say they will not bulging. >> reporter: house republicans want big spending cuts but no tax rate increases. here is a picture of president barack obama answering questions on twitter about the fiscal cliff. he is promoting a reference to the estimated tax increase and middle income families would see if rates are not extended, the latest would extend tax cuts for everyone including americans and who the president wants to exclude. the white house says the proposal is too short on specifics. >> we can't guess what they are, they need to tell us and they look forward to the time when they are specific with the ways we have dealt with it. >> they don't like what republicans want to do to social security and more on that during my next update. reporting live, allison burns, ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> 5:14 in florida, they have released a photo of george zimmerman, showing george zimmerman with a swollen nose and blood did i face. they responded and said it adds nothing new to the case. the volunteer watch man is charged with second-degree murder an
in the first lace that republicans put us on the path to the fiscal cliff by not doing what congress -- dozens of congresses have done, which is to extend the debt limit, not spend more money on getting into debt. >> that's to pay the interest on the debt we already 0. >> that's exact right. >> we are here right now, this republican, you know, fiscal cliff because they forced us to be here because they wouldn't do the responsible thing in 2011. >> exactly. look, we are here because the republicans did what no family may america would do, they took out the credit card. they put expenses on that credit card and decided we don't want to pay what we owe. these were their decisions. history is interesting but it's not going to get us away from this cliff. what will is pass the petition now. we can argue history later. give the middle class a break get the 218 signatures. there is not a single middle class american who will have to worry about whether they will have the money in their pay checks on january 1st to pay for the holiday gifts they bought in decembe
guests believes the house republicans should dive head first off the fiscal cliff. oh, my god. he's going to have to explain that one to me. don't forget, folks, free market capitalism is the best bet to prosperity. let me just underscore the prosperity part. we need a lot more of it. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "the kudlow report." the new york mets agreed to a megamillion dollar contract extension for all star third baseman david wright today. he's not alone in this year-end wheeling and dealing. we're going to explain why baseball's feeling a fiscal cliff tax frenzy. that coming up in about 30 minutes. >>> now switching gears, with just 33 days until the country's economy plummets off the tax and fiscal cliff and there's still no deal in sight, we see today a daily caller op ed suggesting that republicans in congress should dive head long off the cliff. really? i'm not sure i'm on board with that one. but let's talk. maybe i could figure it out. here now is the co-author of that op ed, neil patell of the daily caller and we welcome back texas republican senator
on fox news sunday. discussing the stalemate of the fiscal cliff between white house and republicans on capitol hill. i sat down with the anchor chris wallace to hear more about the exclusive interview interviews. >> you had two key players. >> we had tim geithner the point man for president. and john boehner, the point man for the congressional and house republicans. >> geithner made the offer to boehner on thursday. boehner said, tells us, he was flabbergasted and said you can't be serious. it called for doublebe what the president talked about in public. not $800 billion in new revenue but $1.6 trillion in revenue. only $600 million in entitlement and spending cuts. well, that is not one to one or three to one. more revenue than spending cuts. they are really far away now. i understand negotiations. i understand opening bid. for first time, it occurred to me they might not get it done. >> you get a sense hearing from both of them that is a real possibility. what do you make of the negotiation of the tactic? it seems like what secretary geithner behalf of the president brought to t
to negotiate a deal do avoid that fiscal cliff. >>> time now is 6:08. let's check in with tara. what are you keeping an eye on? >> in san francisco we have issues actually with some backup. spinout near hospital suffer on 101 southbound and there are several cars that are in the fast lane and definitely having an impact on traffic. right now let's take a look at our maps. we can show you where we have other accidents brewing here. 280 northbound. and then we have flooding in the two right hand lanes. so be aware of that. and then if we head over to the oakland care you can -- oakland area we have slowing through the richmond area. we also have this accident still being cleared here at buchanan street and a stalled truck on 24 near the caldecott tunnel. if we take a live look at the bay bridge toll plaza, we have a lot of rain out there. the metering lights are on. you're looking at an extra 15 minutes to get into san francisco. here's a look at highway 24 live. that stalled truck could be causing big delays. let's check in with steve. >>> tara, thank you. rain steady, moderate, almost approa
continue today on this looming fiscal cliff issue that is extremely important to get solved. republicans say they are willing to put new revenues on the table but only in exchange for real entitlement reform but democrats say that can't come until way down the road. several conservatives say the gop already lost the battle on the budget. charles krauthamer though says there is still a major card that republicans have to play in this battle against the president. here's charles krauthamer. >> he is a lame duck. he wants a successful second term. if it starts by going over the cliff, it starts with a second recession. two million unemployed and they wreck the second term. that is the leverage that republicans have over obama and they ought to use it and not cave in the face of a demand that i think is utterly unacceptable. martha: hmmm, very interesting last night pro "special report". pleased to be joined by south dakota republican john thune, chairman of the senate republican conference. good morning. >> good morning, martha. martha: what do you think about what charles krauthamer had to
committee after republicans slapped the whole fiscal cliff plan came from the white house yesterday. here's the speaker. no substantive progress has been made between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line, the american economy is on the line and this is a moment for adult leadership bill: there were certainly sharp new reaction from republicans to a white house plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. this is the opening play by the president. here is house speaker john boehner who says that weeks of talks have gone nowhere. melissa: two weeks ago we had very product testify conversation at the white house but based on where we stand today i would say two things. first, despite the claims that the president supports a, a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. bill: the speaker considers that just absolutely wasted time. kentucky democratic congressman john yarmout
that proposal. i worry that he's already decided to take us off this fiscal cliff to blame republicans. it might be a short term political victory but it's terrible for the economy. i think that's the wrong way to go. >> senator casey, you heard what congressman brady just said, bills neither the senate or the house is going to pass each other's bill. it doesn't make sense to lay out the ideas without getting closer together. what do you think is the realistic way to find agreement and can you two as the chair and vice chair of the jec can you two find consensus? >> kevin is a good friend and great vice care of our xhe, we work well together and that mutual respects is part of this. i think there's too much cover annual of the personalities of the president and the speaker and all that. that doesn't matter. the key thing is let's focus on priorities like growing the economy, focus on getting an agreement. we may not get all of this done by the end of the year but i think we can move forward. >> what do the nuts and bolts look like, we know what the proposals are in terms of 1.6 in tax increases
democratic intransigence on entitlements? it seems to me that what they want to do is go off the fiscal cliff, pocket the increase on the wealthy, the tax increase on the wealthy, and blame republicans for the middle class tax increases. and if that's what they want to do, then republicans should say let's go with 'em. megyn: simon, what about the spending cuts? >> well, first of all, i was in a meeting with the president two days ago, private meeting, and he made it very clear he doesn't want to go over a fiscal cliff, and his preference is to do a deal with the republicans. so i think what marc said at the beginning is not true. it may look that way, and i think we're in the early stages of what is going to be -- you know, any kind of negotiation that goes on, you've got both sides fighting in the beginning, and hopefully at the end we're going to come together for a deal. the democrats have accepted spending cuts already, right? in 2011 we accepted a trillion dollars in domestic spending cuts. in our passage of the health care bill in 2010, we cut $716 billion out of medicare which the rep
. >> tonight, richard wolffe on today's nonsense from republicans and where a deal on the fiscal cliff stands. and former health insurance executive wendell potter on what obama's proposed $340 billion in medicare cuts will mean for seniors. >>> vice president joe biden stumps for the middle class at a retail store that treats its workers right. i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite t
compromise with their latest counter offer on the fiscal cliff. not as many spending cuts as they originally wanted and slight entitlement reform. the white house has just reject this offer out of hand and once again it solely is because it doesn't raise tax rates on the rich. when is obama going to rise above that obsession? when will he lose that over rich people and tax rates? i don't know. tonight, i'm is going to try to call his bluff. anyway, also breaking tonight, potential catastrophe if syria uses its chemical weapons. president obama issues a stern warning to syria and i quote the world is watching. and there will be consequences if syria uses these wmds. have we just committed ourselves to another war? and the gun control debate is squarely back in the spotlight tonight after the murder/suicide by nfl player in kansas city, second amendment instead of blaming the sick people who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me wa
that the republicans passed two bills that take care of the fiscal cliff. they extend of the tax cuts and a change the sequestration. the democrats hammer them on that each time. they are not going to give the democrats a chance to hammer them once again. host: our democrats putting deductions and loopholes and specifically on the table? guest: yes, the president has been very specific. he has said, first things first, let's let the high end tax cuts expire and lock in these trillion dollars savings. then he says on deductions, let's cap the major ones, the mortgage interest, the charitable, the state allen local -- and local. the banker's comments of getting 35% subsidy on the mortgage, he will get 20%. -- 28%. and then there are tax cuts in medicare, but they are reasonable. if you do not do these tax deductions and you do not do the high end incumbent bush tax cuts, it gets in devastated. the ryan budget was very back loaded. and it was not in the first 10 years. there are trade-offs. host: maverick writes in and said, i see a problem giving tax -- a problem with giving tax credits for hiring u
on the fiscal cliff. what is going on, rich edson? "imus in the morning" rich: house republicans will host the events with small business leaders in their districts and highlight what republicans say will be the economic damage small-business from raising income-tax rates on families earning $250,000 a year. president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going to suburban virginia to speak to a middle-class family and he will press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases by raising rates on those making more. in washington it is the same fight. >> president obama, democrats in congress have ever been ambiguous, provide economic security for 90% of american families and 97% of small businesses asking the wealthiest 2% to contribute just a little more to stop this runaway debt. >> what the president is really interested in as we learned just yesterday he is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on small business that he believes are making too much money and then on everybody else.
bit. republican leaders say though are nowhere near on negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and protest in tahrir square as anger continues to grow against egyptian president mohammed morsi. we'll have a live report. >> new information on what may have caused a freight train carrying dangerous chemicals to derail in new jersey. >> heather: the clock is winding down to a potential economic disaster. there has been a lot of talk apparently nothing to show for it. democrats and republicans blaming each other nor the standoff with your tax bill riding on the out come. unless an agreement is reached by the end of the month, bush-era tax cuts will expire triggering a rise in taxes by an average of 5%. that means a middle-class family will pay $2,000 more in taxes and married couples would be hurt because of marriage penalty. it doesn't include the budget consequences. $55 billion would be cut from the pentagon and another $55 billion slashed from domestic programs. an estimated 2 million jobs could be lost pushing the economy back into a recession adding to the misery to those
the latest fiscal cliff shrugged off the concession on taxes. the administration is calling for a trillion and a half dollars in tax increases, and the other sticking point for republicans, much of it must be the results of tax rate increases, and that's a non-starter for republicans. >> flabbergastee. i looked, and i said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we have seven weeks between election day and the end of the year, and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. you heard for the first time in two decades now acknowledge revenues can go up as part of the balanced plan, a good first step, but they have to deal with rates and revenues. >> this talk has lawmakers and analysts skeptical. they could strike a deal to have hundreds of billions in tax increases set for january. still, both sides have been through the debate before. they know the options available to cobble a deal together. one aid says it's too early for either side to reach an agreement knowing they still have to show to their members they pushedded for every possible point to
in pennsylvania to make a new appeal for his end of fiscal cliff. he will make the case that congress needs to take action to stop taxes from going up on middle class consumers. republicans say they are not impressed with the president's latest proposal brought to capitol hill yesterday by timothy geithner. the white house proposal consists of $1.6 trillion over a decade. the administration wants $50 billion for infrastructure spending in 2015. the president is offering to support an unspecified amount of spending cuts this year. >>> the $1 bill may be on its way out. congressional auditors want to do away with the dollar bill and replace them with $1 coins. they say the switch could save taxpayers more than $40 billion over the next 30 years. they are also looking at changing the metal composition of is quarters, dimes, and nickels. >>> oakland is moving forward to put more officers on the streets. two city council members are pushing to hire 20 civilians to work as technicians. they also want to bring in 11 alameda service members. >> we are asking opd officers to volunteer on overtime to
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a hard line, warning his opponents not to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can
's top republican laughing out loud at the white house proposal to avert the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know much about the government. is that a good sign if they make a proposal? >> when you do that to me, i know you're not taking me seriously, right? >> sometimes getting really stupid offers, also not polite. >>> plus, an update on the condition of the former president george h.w. bush. he had a health scare in houston yesterday. we're going to tell you how he's doing this morning. >>> but first let's get to the news live at 5:30 here at 30 rock in new york city. this morning, president obama departs to pennsylvania where he will continue his campaign sales pitch on how to solve the country's fiscal challenges. yesterday treasury secretary tim geithner met with republicans to unveil the white house's budget proposal which includes $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue over ten years as well as $50 billion in additional stimulus spending. with limited details on spending cuts, the gop's reaction, less than encouraging. senator mitch mcconnell reportedly burst into laughter while geithner
,000. if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect in an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans get a tax cut under the framework under the first $250,000 of their income. in some sense, it's a tax cut for all americans. it's just for people who make more than that, we're going to ask them to pay a modestly amount more. >> that's hard to understand given how much going over the fiscal cliff would hurt the economy. why is going over the fiscal cliff worth it for just this one component? if you can get the other components, why wouldn't you take that? >> good question. thanks for asking. what we're trying to do is put in place a comprehensive balance set of fiscal reforms that put us back on the path to living within our means and create room for investing to make the economy stronger, make sure we're protecting medicare for future generations, and forcing the government to use the taxpayers' resources more wisely. in that context, yo
their counterproposal on the fiscal cliff. no real movement there. a couple zigs and zags but we're going out on the low end, about 50 point. we'll quickly show you the charts of the dow, the s&p and the nasdaq, going back for the full year. we're back above the 200-day moving average in all three cases. it's the closest for the dow. we're right at the long-term trend line there. let me show you. i think the s&p is next here. the s&p and the nasdaq are well above their 200-day moving average. move it along, yes. again, these are not precise but you can see it's moving well above that. this is the nasdaq. and the s&p is well above its 200-day moving average. there you are. it's the strongest of those three percentagewise. warren, democrat is typically a pretty good month for equities. >> i don't know if it is this year. yes, traditionally it is. are with going to hit brian's target of 1475 by the end of the month? >> i don't know about that. >> there was a little hedge there. >> 1425. >> 1575 next year. 1425 this time around. what takes us there? >> we think it's industrials, the first part, because this
that the fiscal cliff is not something that we want to go over and i think that the president's proposal that was put on the table was something that republicans were not going to accept, even close to accept, so it had the air of bizarre. you know, bargaining. but put a really high price out there so that when you start the negotiating -- >> when will the real negotiating begin? congressman cole? >> i want to thank the president and secretary geithner for reuniting and re-energizing the republican caucus. because that offer -- they must think that john boehner is santa claus, because it was a christmas wish list, it wasn't a real proposal. at the end of the day, do i think we'll arrive at a deal? i do. >> but you heard secretary geithner right there, and i want to get congressman ellison in this as well. they're not going to come forward with anything new right now? >> i don't know -- there's a little bit of chicken going on here in terms of gamesmanship. we'll have a lot of discussion. i don't think we need to put a formal proposal out on the table. speaker's already said that revenue
there is a big overplay by the democrats on this blaming the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. if you look back to 2010, a lot of buttons were pushed and thought it would be blamed on the republicans. short term blame on the republicans, long-term blame on the incumbent in office. >> all i can say, two years, november of 2014, is the next time for an election. 365 times 2, basically. a lot of memory loss there, you know, if both sides dig in. ultimately, president owns whatever happens at this point. >> exactly. in 2014, it's what happens then, not what happens in 2012. >> let's talk about today's ism. oh, my goodness, the low since '09 -- the employment index as you were study, give details. >> lowest in september '09, trending down since april. a lot of these numbers, obviously written off to sandy. but you really have to look. april 12th -- or april of '012, we didn't have a hurricane, it was trending down. is it because employers are nervous about what's going on, the nonsense going on in d.c. right now? and they're holding back on any decisions? i think it's more that than sandy.
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the fiscal cliff. now it's really a fiscal fiesta. since it's a party we called in luke russert who emerged from a briefing. what's on the table? >> reporter: good afternoon, toure. big news here on capitol hill. we talked about being in a stalemate recently in terms of the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner and along with the rest of the leadership has presented an offer to the white house in a letter sent today based off something boles said to the supercommittee last year. you see the offer on the screen. 800 billion through tax reform, 600 billion in health savings, 300 billion in mandatory savings, 300 billion further discretionary savings. it nets to a total of $2.2 trillion in savings. what does it mean? in the letter we know the sticking point is the tax rates. the speaker says, quote, notably the new revenue in the boles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree in order to protect small businesses and our economy. instead new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reforms that closes special interest loopho
the fiscal cliff. ruth says i've said for a long time republicans are so far to the right they're falling off the edge. i didn't realize it was a cliff they were up against. mark says i have my seat belt on and i'm ready to go over the cliff. no deal is better than a b.s. deal. and skip says the g.o.p. is on their way to wiping out the remainder of the middle class ending social security medicare and medicaid and home mortgage deductions. >> bill: so, michael, we hear that more and more from democrats that better to go over the cliff better no deal than a bad deal. do you agree? >> yeah, i do agree. it depends on how bad the deal is but there is a spectrum. >> bill: if the deal includes extending the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans for another two years. >> no. that's not a deal worth making. that's just not a deal worth making. the fact of the matter is we're at a tough spot. we're caught between a rock and a hard place. we don't want to go over the cliff. if we can avoid it, the congress
in where we are and whoooose happened over the last couple of weeks. going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i am here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope that the white house would get serious as well. a congressional republican aide said the only changes in the entitlement come from the president's budget that was voted down by the u.s. senate 99-zero and zoro democrats supported it. the white house said it is the republicans and their refusal to ask higher income americans to pay higher rates. >> asking for a price to be paid for congress to do its job and insure that the united states of america does pay the bills is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011 and deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> something new in the proposal. they want to continue to raise the debt limit on their own unless two-thirds of lawmakers say no. >> gretchen: do you remember on this program yesterday where we said this is not a deal. what is proposed is not a deal. a definition of deal, both sides give something, r
their own people. >>> president obama and john boehner will talking on the phone about the fiscal cliff. still, there's no real progress. this all comes as another republican says he's willing to break ranks regarding this. tom coburn said that he -- some are looking for a way to save grace as they move in. >>> allison turns reports, hundreds of thousands of california jobs could be lost. alison? >> reporter: and dave, the defense industry projects about 135,000 jobs would be lost in california over the next few years if those tax increases and massive spending cuts kick in at the end of this month. if there's no deal on those, the pentagon was initially told not to plan for the cuts. that's all changed. in the last 24 hours, the pentagon leaders say they are preparing to slice about 10% of the budget. if we go over the fiscal cliff experts predict one in five defense contracts in california could be -- would be lost. both parties say there's still time to reach a deal and avoid those major losses. >> nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> our goal is to make sure this gets reso
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